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  U turn on LGBT

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  feb broadcast they have a drama about someone who works with a colleague who is gay.. they actually make it sound like the jws are the only ones who support him and is tolerant of him and everyone else is against him🤣.

  after all these years they try gaslighting and saying we are the ones who are tolerant and everyone else is not!!!.

  you couldn’t make this up.. after this monumental u turn now, what about all the gay people who were born in’s who have been shunned by their own family?.

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  It's about time - probably more than half the GB are fags.
  
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  Pandemic as part of Bible prophecy?

  by truthseeker in

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  2. friends

  i was thinking that since russell started the movement in 1879 which became jehovah's witnesses in 1931 never has there been a period in time when all their activities just - stopped.

  especially the preaching work.. do you think they will find some obscure verse in daniel that talks about this period of time and try to make a greater fulfillment?

  like the 70 weeks of years or the 42 months?

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  "Bible prophecy" is, in my opinion, what comes out of a horse's rectal sphincter.

  You may have a different opinion; it is OK to be wrong.
  
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  Whatever Happened to Those who returned to JEHOVAH

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://youtu.be/3yylzu0bi_k?si=kku6r9szfenj3h9i.

  whatever happened to those who came back to jehovah?

  due to slow growth and the constant scrutiny from governments like norway in relation to their harsh disfellowshipping practices,last year in a move that no one expected the watchtower for the first time extended an olive branch to all those who left the organization or were disfellowshipped in the past.considering this practice was introduced over 60 years ago and with a rough estimate that around 100,000 leave jehovah’s witnesses every year the total number is in the several millions.so we should have expected millions to have accepted this invitation and rejoined the organization, the result though was an abysmal few thousands according to a recent jw update.. so now, for the first time, the latest watchtower study magazine for april 2025 gives us an inside view on how this reintegration is coming along, and it doesn't look good!.

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  Q.: Whatever Happened to Those who returned to JEHOVAH?

  A.: They enjoyed a second and third heaping portion of LIES and DISAPPOINTMENT.
  
  
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  Footage from Recently Converted Kingdom Hall to a Mosque

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/kjqwfeuhpji?si=6ahbituygdyiq3za.

  when jehovah’s witnesses dedicate their kingdom halls, they often refer to the example of solomon dedicating the temple in jerusalem.

  it’s a solemn moment.

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  For anyone who, like me, has no idea who or what the Elim Church is, I copied this from Wikipedia:

  The Elim Pentecostal Church is a UK-based Pentecostal Christian denomination. It was founded in Ireland in 1915 by George Jeffreys and is the second-largest Pentecostal denomination in the UK.
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  Mike Rinder has died

  by iloowy.goowy in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just hearing about this now.

  mike rinder has died.. he was a lifelong scientologist who broke away from the organization and became one of its biggest detractors.. rest in peace, mike!

  thanks for what you did to expose cults.. https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/legacyremembers/mike-rinder-obituary?pid=208313152.

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  Mike Rinder was an important member of the (informal) worldwide anti-cult movement. His work alongside Leah Remini was EPIC.

  "...and now his watch has ended."
  
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  Footage from Recently Converted Kingdom Hall to a Mosque

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/kjqwfeuhpji?si=6ahbituygdyiq3za.

  when jehovah’s witnesses dedicate their kingdom halls, they often refer to the example of solomon dedicating the temple in jerusalem.

  it’s a solemn moment.

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  LongHairGal, I was "born" and baptized Roman Catholic. My father's family is of Polish ancestry, and this was just the way things were done. I attended St Adalbert School in Elmhurst, NY for the first grade, but as for my Catholic education, I didn't get as far as confirmation before my mom got involved with the JWs.

  I'm not bragging, but in my case I attribute my leaving the JWs to, #1, the SHOCK of learning first hand that the JWs are not a "righteous" organization when I learned (in the early 1970s) of a pedophile in the Middle Village, NYC congregation who the body of elders decided to protect and hide (I was an MS at the time, but quit soon after that) #2, the (slow) working of my rational mind, which led me to conclude that the JWs were a "snare and a racket." #3, the uplifting association I have enjoyed here on Simon's discussion group for the past 24 years.
  
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  The Greeks had a word for it, but the Watchtower didn't

  by Nathan Natas in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i recall as though it was only 60 years ago, sitting in the kingdom hall on those horrible chairs, learning of the four forms of love: agape, philia, storge and eros.. the watchtower never mentioned pragma.. pragma: this is a committed, compassionate love that often grows as two partners continue to cherish and care for each other.

  this type of love is associated with being together for a long time.

  in some cases, the passion of eros can grow into pragma over time, this forging a lasting bond.. i think i know why; the watchtower isn't into committed, compassionate, cherishing and caring, are they?.

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  Maybe the Watchtower writers who were pederasts KNEW of that old Greek use of the word and KNEW that the average JW wouldn't have a clue that the WTB&TS felt that pedophilia was good and acceptable in the sight of their god, because it never (almost never?) resulted in the unclean condition called pregnancy.
  
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  Footage from Recently Converted Kingdom Hall to a Mosque

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/kjqwfeuhpji?si=6ahbituygdyiq3za.

  when jehovah’s witnesses dedicate their kingdom halls, they often refer to the example of solomon dedicating the temple in jerusalem.

  it’s a solemn moment.

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  StanLD explained, " In the 3 congregations i attended, the bruvs saved hard to raise the funds for site purchase and building--only for the cult to snatch it off them"

  Are you saying that none of the people who gave their money or heir time understood the meaning of the word "DONATION"?

  Here's how that works: you take something YOU own and you GIVE it to someone else. Now THEY own it and can do as they please with it, just like when someone gives YOU a GIFT; they no longer have CONTROL of that thing.
  

  I understand your feelings are hurt, but the Watchtower got exactly what YOU paid for.

  BethSarim stated, "People have forgone their family holidays,... And put that money $$ toward a quick build for congregations... know of families who did this personally."

  No doubt about it, those families need to learn how to use the DICTIONARY. They can look up SUCKER while they're at it. They donated in exchange for EVERLASTING LIFE, which doesn't exist, unless you're a tardigrade (look it up).
  
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  JWhub

  by Mikejw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i’m an elder who is pima, i’m amazed how much info is available to all elders.

  you can see all private details of every member of the congregation.

  i wonder how these sisters feel about their private details being available to these creepy elders?.

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  What does PIMA mean, anyway? People invent acronyms without defining them.

  Oh, I guess that could be PIAWDT - People Invent Acronyms Without Defining Them.
  

  Definition of 'pima' 1. a member of a Native American people of southern Arizona and northern Mexico. 2. the Uto-Aztecan language of the Pima, closely related to Papago.

  
  So I suppose some elders are injuns. Big woof.
  
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  Footage from Recently Converted Kingdom Hall to a Mosque

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/kjqwfeuhpji?si=6ahbituygdyiq3za.

  when jehovah’s witnesses dedicate their kingdom halls, they often refer to the example of solomon dedicating the temple in jerusalem.

  it’s a solemn moment.

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  I fail to understand why this seems to be an important issue for many.

  The JWs teach that a "church" is NOT a building, but a collection of PEOPLE.

  The Watchtower has never claimed that Kingdom Halls (or any other Watchtower property) was permanently special or "sacred."

  When a new kingdom hall is opened, I believe (and I could be mistaken) that there is some kind of a dedication ceremony. When a Kingdom Hall is going to be sold, as far as I know there is no un-dedication ceremony.

  I think some JWs have an irrational emotional attachment to the property that was, once upon a time, THEIR Kingdom Hall.

  Get over it, you silly witnesses of Jah!

  That's my opinion, and I'm sticking to it until I don't.